1 00:00:13,689 --> 00:00:09,940 [Music] 2 00:00:15,879 --> 00:00:13,699 welcome to the hidden truth show in our 3 00:00:18,370 --> 00:00:15,889 deep dive into the transgender movements 4 00:00:20,050 --> 00:00:18,380 the American Academy of Pediatrics 5 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:20,060 recently issued a policy statement 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:21,920 regarding treatment of children 7 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:24,290 suffering from gender dysphoria in that 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:26,750 report it recommends that health care 9 00:00:31,450 --> 00:00:28,850 providers provide gender affirming 10 00:00:33,940 --> 00:00:31,460 treatment for children suffering from 11 00:00:36,279 --> 00:00:33,950 gender dysphoria what is gender 12 00:00:38,650 --> 00:00:36,289 affirming treatment mean it means help 13 00:00:41,650 --> 00:00:38,660 the boy immediately transition to being 14 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:41,660 a girl give him a new name let him wear 15 00:00:47,050 --> 00:00:43,910 girls clothes give him the drugs that he 16 00:00:49,090 --> 00:00:47,060 needs and surgery that he needs well we 17 00:00:52,990 --> 00:00:49,100 talked to dr. James Cantor who's one of 18 00:00:54,729 --> 00:00:53,000 the world's most renowned sexologists he 19 00:00:58,030 --> 00:00:54,739 says that the report is just dead wrong 20 00:00:59,530 --> 00:00:58,040 it goes against the science he's done a 21 00:01:02,290 --> 00:00:59,540 full fact-checking on us 22 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:02,300 here's an excerpt of that interview the 23 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:05,089 American Academy of pediatricians and 24 00:01:09,609 --> 00:01:06,740 they released this policy statement 25 00:01:13,349 --> 00:01:09,619 regarding transgender children and you 26 00:01:15,849 --> 00:01:13,359 wrote a pretty scathing rebuke of that 27 00:01:17,609 --> 00:01:15,859 you did an excellent job of going 28 00:01:19,779 --> 00:01:17,619 through all of their citations and 29 00:01:21,370 --> 00:01:19,789 determining that they really don't say 30 00:01:25,330 --> 00:01:21,380 what they they claim that they they 31 00:01:27,550 --> 00:01:25,340 state but let's start from taking a step 32 00:01:29,529 --> 00:01:27,560 back as far as who is this group that 33 00:01:31,989 --> 00:01:29,539 put this study this policy statement 34 00:01:34,209 --> 00:01:31,999 together and when I say group I should 35 00:01:35,889 --> 00:01:34,219 say not just sorry not just the AAP but 36 00:01:37,899 --> 00:01:35,899 the actual individuals that were on this 37 00:01:39,699 --> 00:01:37,909 committee and dr. Cora Bruner or 38 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:39,709 somebody that we've interviewed on the 39 00:01:43,899 --> 00:01:40,969 show and I believe she was one of the 40 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:43,909 members of it yep I can answer the first 41 00:01:48,309 --> 00:01:45,529 question I don't really know the answer 42 00:01:51,699 --> 00:01:48,319 to the second question the first one is 43 00:01:54,459 --> 00:01:51,709 that the AAP is a is aunt one of the 44 00:01:56,919 --> 00:01:54,469 Americal medicine Medical Association's 45 00:01:58,989 --> 00:01:56,929 lower case letters in this particular 46 00:02:00,760 --> 00:01:58,999 case and they of course have the major 47 00:02:02,979 --> 00:02:00,770 ones the American Medical Association 48 00:02:05,019 --> 00:02:02,989 and then there are various associations 49 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:05,029 for each of the specialties so people in 50 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:07,249 the specialties can you know share the 51 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:09,110 information and talk and network with 52 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:10,340 each other you know to help themselves 53 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:12,260 you know make sure they're giving the 54 00:02:17,710 --> 00:02:15,440 best the best care available the 55 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:17,720 American Academy of Pediatrics is of 56 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:18,890 course the group that 57 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:21,020 that works with that works with children 58 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:22,910 and that's who they are and they you 59 00:02:27,790 --> 00:02:24,770 know and because it's basically 60 00:02:30,250 --> 00:02:27,800 impossible for any one person to keep on 61 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:30,260 top of each of the very very many topics 62 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:32,890 within our field their field especially 63 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:35,510 we need you know these associations to 64 00:02:40,470 --> 00:02:37,250 kind of digest it tell us which of these 65 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:40,480 are good which are bad and most 66 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:43,010 professionals don't need to know every 67 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:45,080 incremental step you know a couple of 68 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:46,610 papers point in this direction a couple 69 00:02:50,949 --> 00:02:48,770 of papers point in that direction people 70 00:02:52,570 --> 00:02:50,959 with busy clinical practices need ok 71 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:52,580 break this down for me because I need to 72 00:02:55,930 --> 00:02:54,110 see this many people you know in this 73 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:55,940 amount of time I need it I need to 74 00:03:01,090 --> 00:02:58,670 broken down so these associations often 75 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:01,100 serve the purpose of doing that and so 76 00:03:05,259 --> 00:03:03,410 this policy paper is one of the many 77 00:03:08,530 --> 00:03:05,269 policy papers that that and other 78 00:03:10,570 --> 00:03:08,540 associations come out with saying we 79 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:10,580 have reviewed the scientific evidence 80 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:12,620 and the other relevant information and 81 00:03:16,660 --> 00:03:14,780 these are our recommendations so that 82 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:16,670 was the basic idea of this particular 83 00:03:22,180 --> 00:03:20,300 policy statement now I have absolutely 84 00:03:25,259 --> 00:03:22,190 nothing to do with the American Medical 85 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:25,269 Association with the American Academy of 86 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:28,370 Pediatrics or any of the people involved 87 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:31,040 I just you know what the research 88 00:03:35,979 --> 00:03:33,410 literature says and what the stuff that 89 00:03:38,110 --> 00:03:35,989 was in this article that came out just 90 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:38,120 did not jive with what I knew the 91 00:03:42,069 --> 00:03:39,410 contents of the scientific literature 92 00:03:45,220 --> 00:03:42,079 was as I said that was my only interest 93 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:45,230 the individual people on it I would not 94 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:47,660 be at all surprised of any composition 95 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:50,150 of them whether they range in whatever 96 00:03:55,390 --> 00:03:53,209 proportion of of legitimate scientists 97 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:55,400 activists activists of science community 98 00:04:01,569 --> 00:03:57,650 members I have absolutely no idea what 99 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:01,579 process the these groups did the only 100 00:04:06,009 --> 00:04:03,320 thing I do know is that this appeared to 101 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:06,019 be a committee of committees only by all 102 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:07,900 the many many different groups that were 103 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:10,010 that were described in the back of the 104 00:04:13,449 --> 00:04:11,570 document so I really couldn't tell you 105 00:04:14,530 --> 00:04:13,459 who these people were from my point of 106 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:14,540 view it doesn't matter 107 00:04:18,670 --> 00:04:16,850 evidence stands on its own if a if a 108 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:18,680 person presents me evidence the evidence 109 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:19,970 is good or bad and I don't care who 110 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:22,460 presented it yeah well I asked because I 111 00:04:25,570 --> 00:04:24,320 do want to examine the politics of this 112 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:25,580 because it appears that politics 113 00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:29,120 probably did come in to play and you 114 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:31,280 know this theory that I have that LGBT 115 00:04:34,089 --> 00:04:32,330 activists 116 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:34,099 are getting involved in in pushing 117 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:36,620 things in a certain direction in order 118 00:04:43,809 --> 00:04:40,220 to reduce stigma but ignoring science so 119 00:04:45,730 --> 00:04:43,819 that is it's hard to argue any other 120 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:45,740 conclusions as I say I can't you know 121 00:04:50,110 --> 00:04:47,990 not my my goal here is to present the 122 00:04:52,149 --> 00:04:50,120 facts as we know them and let people 123 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:52,159 journalists such as you you know take it 124 00:04:55,209 --> 00:04:53,780 from there I have you know because I 125 00:04:58,089 --> 00:04:55,219 have access to the original medical 126 00:05:00,459 --> 00:04:58,099 material I can do the fact-checking that 127 00:05:02,770 --> 00:05:00,469 a journalist can't but it's really up to 128 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:02,780 you know now your field now that I can 129 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:05,360 pass the baton forward to take it and 130 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:08,060 now go figure out you know how was it 131 00:05:12,939 --> 00:05:10,550 that a large medical supposedly 132 00:05:15,909 --> 00:05:12,949 scientific based organization can do 133 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:15,919 this now that's you know now that's no 134 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:17,840 longer science as I say that that's now 135 00:05:22,629 --> 00:05:20,090 now when I pass the baton to to your 136 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:22,639 group yeah so we'll get into that 137 00:05:25,689 --> 00:05:24,110 political side in a second I guess let's 138 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:25,699 start with the basis of what they're 139 00:05:29,649 --> 00:05:27,800 basically contending and it's one of the 140 00:05:31,749 --> 00:05:29,659 things that I started this whole deep 141 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:31,759 dive on transgender movement about which 142 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:33,800 is this question about the four or five 143 00:05:38,409 --> 00:05:36,650 year old child comes to the parent the 144 00:05:41,019 --> 00:05:38,419 boy says that he wants to be a girl 145 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:41,029 feels like a girl etc what is a parent 146 00:05:46,029 --> 00:05:44,180 to do this is so critical that parents 147 00:05:47,469 --> 00:05:46,039 know what to do in that situation I 148 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:47,479 think that we're learning that that 149 00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:49,250 situation presents itself more than 150 00:05:53,829 --> 00:05:51,740 people even thought before people are 151 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:53,839 realizing this as it becomes to the 152 00:06:00,070 --> 00:05:56,240 before so this policy statement was 153 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:00,080 really intended to help direct parents 154 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:01,490 as to what to do in that circumstance 155 00:06:08,829 --> 00:06:05,330 correct that's certainly one of the 156 00:06:10,689 --> 00:06:08,839 explicit motivations but as I say 157 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:10,699 committees are whole groups of people 158 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:12,860 and groups of yeah and whenever there's 159 00:06:17,019 --> 00:06:14,960 a group of people they each have their 160 00:06:18,790 --> 00:06:17,029 own motivations some I agree with 161 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:18,800 somewhat disagree with some I'm 162 00:06:24,219 --> 00:06:20,960 ambivalent about or have mixed feelings 163 00:06:26,559 --> 00:06:24,229 about so I hesitate again because there 164 00:06:28,629 --> 00:06:26,569 are so many you know different things 165 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:28,639 that can motivate these kids or later 166 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:30,830 adolescents and even later adults to one 167 00:06:35,230 --> 00:06:32,860 a transition and there are so many 168 00:06:37,719 --> 00:06:35,240 different adults whether it's you know 169 00:06:40,119 --> 00:06:37,729 parents who either are automatically 170 00:06:41,709 --> 00:06:40,129 affirming parents with a religious 171 00:06:45,999 --> 00:06:41,719 background who think that this is just a 172 00:06:49,779 --> 00:06:46,009 variant of homosexuality III hesitate 173 00:06:52,029 --> 00:06:49,789 to divide any of this discussion into a 174 00:06:53,769 --> 00:06:52,039 simple tribal my group their group 175 00:06:55,989 --> 00:06:53,779 everybody in this group is there for the 176 00:06:58,119 --> 00:06:55,999 same reason and all the the entire other 177 00:06:59,920 --> 00:06:58,129 team is all there for the same reason I 178 00:07:01,659 --> 00:06:59,930 I don't think that's really what's going 179 00:07:04,510 --> 00:07:01,669 on I think there are many different 180 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:04,520 people each for their own purposes are 181 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:07,550 taking advantage of this situation for 182 00:07:13,299 --> 00:07:10,969 their own purposes so I think there are 183 00:07:15,309 --> 00:07:13,309 many different angles coming at this and 184 00:07:17,829 --> 00:07:15,319 some of these and a lot of these angles 185 00:07:19,779 --> 00:07:17,839 are it makes me look good as a parent if 186 00:07:22,029 --> 00:07:19,789 I do this or it makes me look good as a 187 00:07:24,249 --> 00:07:22,039 therapist if I do this or it makes me 188 00:07:26,409 --> 00:07:24,259 look good as a politician if I do this 189 00:07:28,029 --> 00:07:26,419 and then of course on the flip side we 190 00:07:30,129 --> 00:07:28,039 have the scientists saying well this is 191 00:07:32,290 --> 00:07:30,139 what makes good science and so on and so 192 00:07:34,929 --> 00:07:32,300 on so each of these people kind of have 193 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:34,939 a motivation and are grabbing on to 194 00:07:40,239 --> 00:07:37,759 different aspects of this really having 195 00:07:42,249 --> 00:07:40,249 entirely forgotten the child but just 196 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:42,259 using how does this you know issuing 197 00:07:48,699 --> 00:07:45,409 this opinion on in this forum make me 198 00:07:50,559 --> 00:07:48,709 look now to me I can't even understand a 199 00:07:52,329 --> 00:07:50,569 lot of those motivations and I even 200 00:07:55,749 --> 00:07:52,339 agree with those a lot of those 201 00:07:58,299 --> 00:07:55,759 motivations but the science is the 202 00:08:00,489 --> 00:07:58,309 science and what is what this debate is 203 00:08:03,219 --> 00:08:00,499 turning into is simply ignoring 204 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:03,229 dismissing or disappearing the actual 205 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:05,449 evidence when when that disagrees with 206 00:08:09,969 --> 00:08:08,120 one's politics not even that I 207 00:08:12,549 --> 00:08:09,979 necessarily disagree with those politics 208 00:08:14,499 --> 00:08:12,559 myself but we can't just dismiss the 209 00:08:16,179 --> 00:08:14,509 facts because of it so let's go through 210 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:16,189 the three options that they identify 211 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:18,409 with which is with the the child that is 212 00:08:22,299 --> 00:08:20,449 having issues identifying with their 213 00:08:24,309 --> 00:08:22,309 biological sex they suggest that there's 214 00:08:25,809 --> 00:08:24,319 three potential approaches one is to try 215 00:08:27,939 --> 00:08:25,819 to get them to better identify with 216 00:08:29,709 --> 00:08:27,949 their biological sex one is to try to 217 00:08:32,649 --> 00:08:29,719 get them to better identify with the 218 00:08:34,629 --> 00:08:32,659 sexual with the gender identity that 219 00:08:37,420 --> 00:08:34,639 they're having in their head and then 220 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:37,430 the third is the watchful waiting so is 221 00:08:42,459 --> 00:08:39,289 there one of those three approaches that 222 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:42,469 you think is the correct approach again 223 00:08:47,319 --> 00:08:44,990 Desai correct is a little bit of a value 224 00:08:50,259 --> 00:08:47,329 judgment really all I can ever say is 225 00:08:53,170 --> 00:08:50,269 this is what the evidence suggests and 226 00:08:54,730 --> 00:08:53,180 again as a scientist there is always in 227 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:54,740 theory some future point which may 228 00:08:59,170 --> 00:08:57,050 suggest that all the existing studies 229 00:08:59,810 --> 00:08:59,180 are wrong and something else is correct 230 00:09:03,440 --> 00:08:59,820 that is all 231 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:03,450 you know a possibility but because you 232 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:05,670 know we are talking about such a because 233 00:09:09,140 --> 00:09:07,320 people are going to use the word correct 234 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:09,150 to mean a value judgment rather than a 235 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:13,170 scientific conclusion I hesitate to use 236 00:09:19,070 --> 00:09:16,530 the word without without a footnote what 237 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:19,080 the evidence suggests over and over and 238 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:21,420 over in fact unanimously across every 239 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:23,160 single study that ever followed these 240 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:25,710 kids up is that no matter what you do 241 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:29,010 the majority these kids cease to want to 242 00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:31,920 transition at all by the time their sex 243 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:34,020 drive kicks in they realize that their 244 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:37,230 feeling of affinity or identity or 245 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:39,480 liking the things of the other sex they 246 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:41,880 realize that that's mostly just plain 247 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:43,920 vanilla homosexuality either you know 248 00:09:48,020 --> 00:09:46,290 pre gay men when they're boys without a 249 00:09:50,060 --> 00:09:48,030 sex drive don't really understand the 250 00:09:51,770 --> 00:09:50,070 nature of their crushes the only way 251 00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:51,780 they have to understand that they have 252 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:54,540 these more girlish kinds of desires is 253 00:09:59,660 --> 00:09:57,090 oh they must be a girl one sex drive 254 00:10:01,550 --> 00:09:59,670 kicks in they realize ah ha now I 255 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:01,560 understand this it wasn't that I was a 256 00:10:08,210 --> 00:10:04,580 girl I just like men like girls do 257 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:08,220 vice-versa for women girls and lesbians 258 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:10,080 so that's what happens in the majority 259 00:10:14,810 --> 00:10:12,990 of cases but not every single case there 260 00:10:16,940 --> 00:10:14,820 is a significant group and the studies 261 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:16,950 vary you know a little bit in exactly 262 00:10:21,710 --> 00:10:19,530 what their estimate is but it's always a 263 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:21,720 minority of the cases continue to want a 264 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:24,810 transition past puberty so once the kids 265 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:27,930 hit you know 12 13 14 and you know they 266 00:10:32,540 --> 00:10:30,210 still want to transition chances are 267 00:10:34,370 --> 00:10:32,550 they are going to continue to want want 268 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:34,380 that desire throughout their lives and 269 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:36,990 for them it makes perfect sense to start 270 00:10:42,290 --> 00:10:39,360 thinking about taking steps to to 271 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:42,300 physically transition but to do that 272 00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:46,110 with earlier kids there is absolutely no 273 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:48,750 evidence whatsoever this is one great 274 00:10:53,780 --> 00:10:51,300 big experiment so I don't want to 275 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:53,790 automatically say you know that there's 276 00:10:59,120 --> 00:10:56,850 evidence to suggest to suggest any 277 00:11:02,330 --> 00:10:59,130 particular outcome I'm pointing out that 278 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:02,340 this is now an experiment people may 279 00:11:07,460 --> 00:11:04,260 debate whether it's worth taking this 280 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:07,470 experiment but by denying to the parents 281 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:09,330 and the actual decision makers and the 282 00:11:13,689 --> 00:11:11,600 kids themselves but the evidence is 283 00:11:16,419 --> 00:11:13,699 we're not allowing them 284 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:16,429 informed consent we are dis informing 285 00:11:20,859 --> 00:11:18,049 them and pretending that they're saying 286 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:20,869 yes counts as consent really most of 287 00:11:25,869 --> 00:11:23,359 these people are giving a false account 288 00:11:27,970 --> 00:11:25,879 of what the existing evidence is I have 289 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:27,980 no idea and nobody can say that they 290 00:11:31,599 --> 00:11:29,720 have any idea what is exactly the 291 00:11:33,939 --> 00:11:31,609 correct course for any one individual 292 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:33,949 kid but we sure as heck aren't gonna be 293 00:11:37,359 --> 00:11:35,600 helping any families by you know 294 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:37,369 withholding and misrepresenting the 295 00:11:41,259 --> 00:11:39,230 information that they need in order to 296 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:41,269 make that decision so the policy 297 00:11:45,819 --> 00:11:43,839 statement comes out and flatly rejects 298 00:11:48,099 --> 00:11:45,829 encouraging the child to identify with a 299 00:11:52,299 --> 00:11:48,109 biological sex rejects watchful waiting 300 00:11:55,749 --> 00:11:52,309 and instead embraces the the third which 301 00:11:57,909 --> 00:11:55,759 they call gender affirming care first of 302 00:12:02,379 --> 00:11:57,919 all that term gender affirming care do 303 00:12:05,169 --> 00:12:02,389 you have any issue with that term I I 304 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:05,179 hesitate to say that the term means what 305 00:12:10,479 --> 00:12:08,480 the term means I mean what I have been 306 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:10,489 accustomed to after having watched this 307 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:12,649 debate and of course you know what I was 308 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:15,079 doing was the fact checking to me that 309 00:12:18,249 --> 00:12:16,970 that is like oh this must be true 310 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:18,259 because it came from the Ministry of 311 00:12:24,970 --> 00:12:22,399 Truth hang on just because they gave it 312 00:12:27,549 --> 00:12:24,980 this kind of label does that mean that 313 00:12:30,579 --> 00:12:27,559 that actually is the content of what's 314 00:12:33,729 --> 00:12:30,589 going on or what I sense is the sales 315 00:12:36,849 --> 00:12:33,739 pitch here that the other ones actually 316 00:12:39,309 --> 00:12:36,859 are not gender confirmation now the 317 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:39,319 these three labels were not actually 318 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:42,289 produced by the by the AAP that this was 319 00:12:46,509 --> 00:12:44,720 not a product of their own of their own 320 00:12:48,909 --> 00:12:46,519 development of their own review they 321 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:48,919 merely adopted the terminology that was 322 00:12:55,479 --> 00:12:52,850 given by the used to be the Harry 323 00:12:58,689 --> 00:12:55,489 Benjamin gender dysphoria Association or 324 00:13:00,279 --> 00:12:58,699 her big duh now it's become the W path 325 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:00,289 and I'm not going to get the acronym 326 00:13:04,419 --> 00:13:02,569 right so I don't want to I don't want to 327 00:13:06,479 --> 00:13:04,429 insult them by getting that the rest of 328 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:06,489 their name wrong but it was that 329 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:09,410 organization which although calls itself 330 00:13:12,579 --> 00:13:11,089 a professional organization and you have 331 00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:12,589 to have a professional degree to be a 332 00:13:16,479 --> 00:13:14,480 full member really the bulk of the 333 00:13:17,889 --> 00:13:16,489 members are nonprofit or non 334 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:17,899 professionals there are people 335 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:19,910 interested in the topic you know and 336 00:13:23,499 --> 00:13:21,980 many activists and of course I think 337 00:13:26,319 --> 00:13:23,509 it's terrific that it gathers like that 338 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:26,329 but by putting the word professional but 339 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:27,950 really having most of your members 340 00:13:30,970 --> 00:13:29,300 and membership dollars coming from 341 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:30,980 non-professionals against me is a bit of 342 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:34,400 a bit of a bait-and-switch anyway so 343 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:37,460 they are the group that who divided 344 00:13:43,150 --> 00:13:40,730 various approaches into those three but 345 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:43,160 none of the actual researchers doing any 346 00:13:48,340 --> 00:13:46,310 of the work divided into those three 347 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:48,350 again this was just kind of labels that 348 00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:50,690 were put onto those treatment groups you 349 00:13:56,110 --> 00:13:53,360 know but to me it's mostly sales person 350 00:13:58,660 --> 00:13:56,120 ship the wanton wage approach isn't 351 00:14:00,460 --> 00:13:58,670 strictly watching wait the gender 352 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:00,470 affirmation isn't strictly gender 353 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:02,570 affirmation and the gender rejection or 354 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:03,680 whatever they want to call it isn't 355 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:05,990 necessarily gender rejection these are 356 00:14:09,550 --> 00:14:07,880 just kind of advertising labels that 357 00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:09,560 were given in order to buy as the reader 358 00:14:14,530 --> 00:14:12,440 pro in ante against whichever one the 359 00:14:16,390 --> 00:14:14,540 writer wants them to like yeah I would 360 00:14:19,210 --> 00:14:16,400 think sorry did that the average person 361 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:19,220 if they heard gender affirming care 362 00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:21,320 would be thinking affirming the child's 363 00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:24,470 biological gender so it appears to me 364 00:14:29,230 --> 00:14:26,600 that's a politically correct way of 365 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:29,240 stating what the the the Avenue that 366 00:14:32,620 --> 00:14:30,890 they want to push which is getting the 367 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:32,630 child to identify with the gender that's 368 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:33,890 in their head as opposed to the 369 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:35,930 biological gender right with a label 370 00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:37,910 like that how could it mean a label like 371 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:39,440 gender Reformation how could it mean 372 00:14:43,330 --> 00:14:40,850 anything other than gender affirmation 373 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:43,340 just like a lifetime guarantee how could 374 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,720 that mean anything other than lifetime 375 00:14:50,170 --> 00:14:46,480 guarantee just don't read the fine print 376 00:14:52,450 --> 00:14:50,180 right so really these different what 377 00:14:54,730 --> 00:14:52,460 actually happens is that a person comes 378 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:54,740 in you know with a complicated set of 379 00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:56,360 likes and dislikes and what they want 380 00:14:59,620 --> 00:14:57,680 what they don't want parents and 381 00:15:02,050 --> 00:14:59,630 whatever you know kind of relationship 382 00:15:04,030 --> 00:15:02,060 they have with the with the kid in 383 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:04,040 various stages of transition or non 384 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,840 transition and friends who know or don't 385 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:07,600 know or like them or don't like them 386 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:10,970 what happens in any of these cases is we 387 00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:13,130 do the best we can with whatever is 388 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:15,800 going on in the individual case very 389 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:17,990 often you know just the situation or 390 00:15:22,090 --> 00:15:20,150 when during the progression that the 391 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:22,100 development of the child when they come 392 00:15:26,020 --> 00:15:24,260 into therapy you know very often they 393 00:15:28,570 --> 00:15:26,030 have already socially transitioned so 394 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:28,580 there really is no decision to be made 395 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:31,100 so it's not like anybody from any of 396 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:34,100 these camps sticks to that camp board or 397 00:15:40,510 --> 00:15:38,120 door will apply a one-size-fits-all at 398 00:15:41,769 --> 00:15:40,520 which as I said which is really one of 399 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:41,779 the basic problems with a 400 00:15:48,429 --> 00:15:44,480 a ap statement is that one size fits all 401 00:15:50,139 --> 00:15:48,439 there way if you enjoyed that excerpt go 402 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:50,149 listen to the full episode with dr.